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Why do these passages from Jonah Goldberg and Sarah Palin sound so similar?

November 23, 2010 1:18 pm ET by Eric Hananoki

In her new book America by Heart, Sarah Palin (egregiously) crops a quote from President Obama about American exceptionalism and then offers the observation that it "reminds me of that great scene in the movie The Incredibles":

Astonishingly, President Obama even said that he believes in American exceptionalism in the same way "the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism." Which is to say, he doesn't believe in American exceptionalism at all. He seems to think it is just a kind of irrational prejudice in favor of our way of life. To me, that is appalling.

His statement reminds me of that great scene in the movie The Incredibles. Dash, the son in the superhero family, who is a super-fast runner, wants to try out for the track team at school. His mom claims it won't be fair. "Dad always said our powers were nothing to be ashamed of. Our powers made us special!" Dash objects. When his mom answers with the politically correct rejoinder "Everyone's special, Dash," Dash mutters, "Which is another way of saying no one is." [Page 69]

Palin's writing is strikingly similar to Jonah Goldberg's November 9 syndicated column -- presumably written after Palin finished her book -- in which he says Obama's quote "reminded me of the wonderful scene in Pixar's 'The Incredibles'":

Last year, when asked if he believed in American exceptionalism, President Obama responded, "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."

This reminded me of the wonderful scene in Pixar's "The Incredibles," in which the mom says "everyone's special" and her son replies, "Which is another way of saying no one is."

But at least the president made room for the sentiment that America is a special place, even if he chalked it up to a kind of benign provincialism.

If you think this is just a coincidence -- hey, great minds think alike! -- consider one other piece of information: In her acknowledgements section, Palin offers a "special thanks to the brilliant, independent self-starter who got her start in Alaska, Jessica Gavora. Thank you for your most important work on America by Heart." Gavora is the wife of Jonah Goldberg; Goldberg recently tweeted that his wife "worked with Sarah Palin on her new book."

I contacted Goldberg for comment on the similarities, but have not heard back. I will post his comment if he does reply.

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    • Author by soze169880 (November 23, 2010 1:21 pm ET)
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      I'm sorry, but isn't Bible Spice and Doughberg's apparent belieft that only certain people are special vaguely, y'know, fascist?
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      • Author by soze169880 (November 23, 2010 1:21 pm ET)
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        *belief
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      • Author by Major Tom (November 23, 2010 1:50 pm ET)
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        Maybe not fascist, but certainly, "nasty inflexible (and) bigot(ed)"
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      • Author by Slow Cowboy (November 23, 2010 8:09 pm ET)
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        Or, perhaps you mean Orwell's version of a similar quote essentially saying that all are equal, some are just more equal than others. Kinda reminds of me Obamacare and the newfound exemptions, or Nancy's plane rides, etc.
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        • Author by UncleLew (November 23, 2010 10:44 pm ET)
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          You do know that Pelosi's plane is whatever the Air Force has available. Of course you do. You're a rightie. Just throw crap at a wall and see what sticks.
          And you do realize, until the next session of Congress, Pelosi is just behind Biden in the line of succession. She qualifies for more than the Piper Cub you apparently want her to fly.
          And please, amplify what you mean by "etc." You're spouting all sorts of garbage, etc.
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        • Author by n'est-ce pas (November 24, 2010 1:31 am ET)
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          Have you ever said anything that couldn't be torn apart by anyone with more than the intellectual acumen of a toddler? No. No you have not.
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        • Author by kamrom (November 24, 2010 1:35 am ET)
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          It kinds reminds me how republicans had control of the government for eight years, then bankrupted us MASSIVELY, started false wars, rathceted up TSA security, creating the DHS, ordering the back-scatter scanners...Yep, all are equal, except when they're republicans: The right can bankrupt, steal, kill, cheat and lie with impunity. Not even homosexual affairs get you.

          And then all your side does is release a super edited video and spread the rumor about in an endless clusterdumb of screaming and crying and huffing about and chalk boarding. When we release full, unedited videos, you don't watch them. because Beck doesnt play them; why should he, it goes against his narrative.

          I hate to tell you this, but here it is: When you say theres but OEN SINGLE BASTION of truth and honesty in the world, and you just so happend to find it, and it just so happend to fall into line with every single thing you think is best, then your idea is probably fake or fradulent, or just plain stupid.

          You have done an amazing job blaming democrats for false wars, blaming them for right-wing budget manipulation, total economic and financial deregulation, outsorcing, and even your lame, funny teabagger meme. You attack him for htings your own guy did, and wouldve attacked him if eh didnt do those anyway.

          Im so very, very glad that your generation, that thinks its so damn special it has the right to turn our world into a wasteland, gets smaller by the years. People like you have only ever delayed the tide. And comments like these, they just show one thing: You ALWAYS FAIL. And we will win. Every time your side has tried illegally to curtail a group's rights, you lost. We won.

          And so it shall be. And in eight years you'll have completely forgotten about anything else: Obama and Clinton will have controlled the US white house, house and congress for the past 50 years, while saying that we aquired our into WMD destruction from raiding Iraq's revolving door plutonium outlet malls.

          I pity you. I pity the hate in your an the darkness in you. I hope you find some way to be happy: it sounds like the right has those few lines of yours on a constant loop that ignores anyone unless the FNC chiron mislabeled them a democrat.
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      • Author by Slow Cowboy (November 23, 2010 8:09 pm ET)
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        Or, perhaps you mean Orwell's version of a similar quote essentially saying that all are equal, some are just more equal than others. Kinda reminds of me Obamacare and the newfound exemptions, or Nancy's plane rides, etc.
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        • Author by skiploader1111 (November 24, 2010 5:47 am ET)
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          You make no sense. You don't even try to make a connection.
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        • Author by GreenLantern (November 25, 2010 9:34 pm ET)
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          I can't tell you how many wing-nuts still bring up that plane ride cr@p that even THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE DENIED!
          It goes to show you how willfully misinformed, and unable to admit when you are wrong, even when the facts are completely, entirely against you. That worries me more about this country then anything!
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    • Author by epkklk851 (November 23, 2010 1:22 pm ET)
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      Back when I was teaching we called that plagarism.
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    • Author by indigo1968 (November 23, 2010 1:22 pm ET)
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      Plagiarism alert!
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      • Author by soze169880 (November 23, 2010 1:24 pm ET)
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        When I see someone plagiarizing the Pantload, I don't want to condemn them, I just kind of want to hug them and try to figure out where things went so wrong.
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    • Author by marionetta (November 23, 2010 1:34 pm ET)
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      No one seriously thought she wrote this herself?
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      • Author by Imbecile (November 23, 2010 1:43 pm ET)
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        Not really, but at least we all now have a pretty good idea who did write it for her.
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      • Author by gg (November 23, 2010 2:10 pm ET)
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        Not unless I can see her hand.
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      • Author by congero6189599 (November 23, 2010 1:53 pm ET)
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        I was with you until c-nt. :-<
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        • Author by HughG (November 23, 2010 2:59 pm ET)
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          Hear, hear.
          There are literally thousands of words in the English language to choose from. It's unnecessary to drag that one out from the cesspool for use here.
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          • Author by MiniTru (November 23, 2010 3:58 pm ET)
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            grrson is Australian, and that word doesn't have the huge negative meaning there that it does here.

            And, even after posting that, there's nothing wrong with his choice of words.
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            • Author by aj.physics (November 23, 2010 4:19 pm ET)
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              I also live in Australian (and grew up in the US) and yes that word does have the same huge negative meaning as it does in the states.
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              • Author by sodium (November 23, 2010 5:32 pm ET)
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                aj.physics :" I also live in Australian (and grew up in the US) and yes that word does have the same huge negative meaning as it does in the states. "

                Total nonsense. Am in Oz right now and here you can be called "a good c-nt" and it's a term of endearment. You can even be called "not a bad c-nt" and that's seen as an admirable trait

                Aussies haven't got anywhere near the kneejerk over-reaction to the word that Yanks do.
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              • Author by sodium (November 23, 2010 5:32 pm ET)
                   
                aj.physics :" I also live in Australian (and grew up in the US) and yes that word does have the same huge negative meaning as it does in the states. "

                Total nonsense. Am in Oz right now and here you can be called "a good c-nt" and it's a term of endearment. You can even be called "not a bad c-nt" and that's seen as an admirable trait

                Aussies haven't got anywhere near the kneejerk over-reaction to the word that Yanks do.
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                • Author by aj.physics (November 24, 2010 1:34 am ET)
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                  I live in Oz as well right now and I have heard people call others that and it does end up in a knee jerk reaction which I would say is not an over reaction.
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          • Author by sodium (November 23, 2010 5:29 pm ET)
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            Oh please, lets climb down off our collective high horses.

            I disagree with the choice of words not because it it rude or vulgar, but because c-nts have a use.

            ;p
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        • Author by canaanxing9025 (November 23, 2010 7:08 pm ET)
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          congero6:

          Agreed, that was disgusting. grrson: If you want to use words like that, go somewhere else. You are posting on the wrong blog.
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    • Author by Mr. Katanga (November 23, 2010 1:49 pm ET)
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      Sarah Palin's Books are nothing more than a tenth grader's attempt at a book report they never read, filled with cut and paste sections straight out of Cliff's Note's mixed in with what they heard in the bus on the way to school that morning.
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    • Author by shaggles (November 23, 2010 1:52 pm ET)
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      Whether it's plagarism or not it's nonsense. What Obama said is nothing like that scene in the Incredibles. American Exceptionalism is a crock anyway. It's just a marketing slogan. In fact, to quote Goldberg, "[I]t is just a kind of irrational prejudice in favor of our way of life." ;)
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    • Author by The New Pilgrims (November 23, 2010 2:01 pm ET)
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      The best part about this episode is, apparently the best and brightest for America's right wing look to animated movies for political inspirations.
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    • Author by urban legend (November 23, 2010 2:13 pm ET)
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      excellent work eric. pulling that one up. of course, plagiarism is always a good choice with conservs. bush, palin... i wonder where goldberg got the idea? the only idea goldberg ever had was writing that progressives came from the ww2 fascist movement... amazingly tho, the fox repeater machine keeps calling obama a "socialist". see what happens when conservs don't get their lies straight before spreading them? they start to sound like (tongue in cheek) idiots.

      it should also be noted that the transmutation of the obama comment is stupid to begin with.
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      • Author by MilitantMNMan (November 23, 2010 7:24 pm ET)
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        Indeed. Plagiarism is paramount to these fools. And I'm glad you mentioned Jonah's Liberal Fascism. First and foremost, JG is the posterboy for nepotistic dumba$$ery. This man poses as an intellectual, but he's incredibly vapid and useless. His book was an absolute joke and was laughed at by scholars and historians. I was able to debunk it with ease seeing as how I know much about the subject of fascism.

        I should also mention the fact that it's fun smashing the idiot right wingers who believe it and regurgitate it on comment sections all over the internet. They kick and scream, sooooooo funny!
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    • Author by The Pumpkin (November 23, 2010 3:27 pm ET)
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      It was probably Sarah's ghostwriter who copied. I doubt she'd bother to actually sit down and write a book.
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    • Author by halfbaked (November 23, 2010 3:33 pm ET)
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      Plagiarized or not, the Palinistas eat this drivel up with a spoon.

      For some reason, Americans feel like if this country isn't exceptional, that they themselves are not exceptional.

      Compared to other developed countries, the US really isn't exceptional. We have a throw away culture and revel in our trashy entertainment. We don't value education, art or our own quality of life. We work ourselves to death to make wealthy people rich and get infuriated if anyone even considers raising taxes on the wealthy, improving health care or not waging a war.

      Basically, we've become a country of morons who don't respect ourselves, but love it when people say we're exceptional. We ain't.
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    • Author by G.Danton (November 23, 2010 4:39 pm ET)
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      First off, I highly doubt that the quitter even knew what "American Exceptionalism" meant until Goldberg's wife schooled her in the concept.

      Be that as it may, if there ever was an "exceptional" America, it only existed until the rest of the first world countries finally started getting rid of their elite ruling classes and became representative democracies. This started shortly after the American Revolution, and picked up steam from there.
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    • Author by Aries411 (November 23, 2010 5:16 pm ET)
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      ewww.. someone married Jonah Goldberg ! yuk !
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    • Author by ponymeup (November 23, 2010 5:34 pm ET)
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      I for one would like somebody to explain to me just what "American Exceptionalism" is. Since we out source damn near EVERYTHING, what can we point to that says "we are the best" at this. I can't think of anything. Let's start a list for real. list something, anything. Maybe airplanes or ice cream. I don't know. I DO know that Palin is just blowing smoke.(as usual)
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      • Author by barscotch9441 (November 23, 2010 5:52 pm ET)
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        Dude...have you ever been to Mexico and had mango ice cream? We're losing ice cream I'm afraid.
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      • Author by Slow Cowboy (November 23, 2010 11:47 pm ET)
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        Pony, we are the best at giving people an opportunity to succeed on their own and within the laws of society. We are the best at transferring power between regimes. We are the best at protecting freedom worldwide, and realizing that true power lies with the people and not in the government. We are the best at innovating and adapting to new economic challenges, and we are the strongest group in a large nation out there. We rise to the challenges as they come.

        Many of these you may dispute, and that's fine. But looking back a mere 9 years ago to see how we united after terrorists flew planes into national landmarks, you begin to see our strength. Yes, we disagree on many things, and you can even argue that this divide is getting ever bigger, but I rally hope that this divide has not grown too big that we forget our differences when something bigger comes along.

        This nation, for all its flaws, is the best nation on earth. If you wonder what we are best at, I ask you to consider where you would rather live that provides the freedom, opportunity, and unity that this nation provides.
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    • Author by micost51 (November 23, 2010 7:19 pm ET)
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      I'm sorry, but does anyone out there not interested in being Palin or having sex with her actually think that she wrote any of this nosense?

      Thought so.
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    • Author by Slow Cowboy (November 23, 2010 8:07 pm ET)
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      If there is agreement between them, so what?
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      • Author by n'est-ce pas (November 24, 2010 1:34 am ET)
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        Yeah! Just because they agree, down to the dumb allegory, doesn't mean anything! I mean, other than the fact that the original author's wife wrote Caribou Barbie's book. Which was the point of the article. Which you'd know that if you'd, you know, read it. So exactly how rational do you think you come across?
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        • Author by Slow Cowboy (November 24, 2010 12:04 pm ET)
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          n'est-ce pas,

          I got out of the article that these guys are lazy and are simply colluding, which is bad. Maybe, but attacking the message is something different than attacking the agreement to share language in literature. But I simply ask if they agreed to allow each other to share ideas, where is the problem in that idea alone? People are free to agree to do most anything, including this.

          You don't have to like the message, but to call them out for this is petty and is looking for something to criticize them for. In other words, it is a dumb argument.
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          • Author by n'est-ce pas (November 24, 2010 4:47 pm ET)
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            Fair enough. Here's the thing: the modern conservative movement relies upon the perception that it is a loose conglomeration of individuals that have all spontaneously stood up for principles for which they hadn't previously demonstrated any concern. But the truth is, the entire thing is an orchestrated cohort of front groups and slaved celebrity pundits that both propose ideologically vetted theories, and provide cover for the wide promulgation of those ideas.

            As MMfA's mission is to expose conservative misinformation, they should root out nexuses such as this and dissect them. Low hanging fruit is still fruit.
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    • Author by rmwarnick (November 25, 2010 6:28 pm ET)
         
      Did any right-wingers actually watch "The Incredibles"?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9DnQoLcFRQ
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